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Seems to be no interest here which surprises me. I guess F3 is now all
rather
old & not interesting...even in the alt.games.fallout group ??!!
Reviews assorted here...only so -so rating. Poorest of all the F3 DLC's.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/fallout3mothershipzeta?q=fallout%203
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On Aug 5, 6:04 pm, "Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-s...@never.spam> wrote:

Seems to be no interest here which surprises me. I guess F3 is now all
rather
old & not interesting...even in the alt.games.fallout group ??!!
Reviews assorted here...only so -so rating. Poorest of all the F3 DLC's.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/fallout3mothershipzeta?q... (\__/)
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I started it up again a couple of weeks ago with the new DLC and it's
been a blast all over again.
I saw that Mothership Zeta is completely indoors, and being indoors is
my least favorite part of FO3. I was planning to skip this one even
if the reviews were good... which they aren't. So I'm not missing out
on much.
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Actually of the 7 reviews on Metacritic not one of them can be said to be positive !
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Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:

Seems to be no interest here which surprises me. I guess F3 is now all rather
old & not interesting...even in the alt.games.fallout group ??!!
Reviews assorted here...only so -so rating. Poorest of all the F3 DLC's.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/fallout3mothershipzeta?q=fallout%203
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I have no interest in the DLC until it comes out on CD. I prefer having
the physical media if I need to reinstall, etc. As this will probably
be included with other modules it may not be so bad an investment.
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"Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-spam@never.spam> wrote in message news:4a7a106c$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...

Seems to be no interest here which surprises me. I guess F3 is now all rather
old & not interesting...even in the alt.games.fallout group ??!!
Reviews assorted here...only so -so rating. Poorest of all the F3 DLC's.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/fallout3mothershipzeta?q=fallout%203
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Doh, I purchased F3 when it was on sale and forgot I had it. I just finished playing MOHA and thought OK what game should I get next. Thanks for
reminding me.
F3 is a new game to me. ; ) I think I start playing it now and see if its interesting to me.



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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:04:04 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
<no-spam@never.spam> wrote:

Seems to be no interest here which surprises me. I guess F3 is now all >rather
old & not interesting...even in the alt.games.fallout group ??!!
Reviews assorted here...only so -so rating. Poorest of all the F3 DLC's.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/fallout3mothershipzeta?q=fallout%203
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Mothership Zeta is apparently the last of the FO3 DLCs.

As it just happens, I am currently playing FO3... again, now in all
its maxed--out graphics glory. I love games with near-unlimited
exploration and the ability to experiment with various tactics and
skills. I suppose you could say that in my 3 or 4 sessions with FO3, I
have completed maybe a quarter of the Main Quest, a few of the major side-quests and a large bunch of mini-quests. When playing RPGs, I am deliberately in no hurry EVER to rush through to the end.. I prefer to
enjoy the scenery, atmosphere, dialog and character interaction of
which there is plenty and of very high quality in FO3.

I am certainly not going to buy any DLC from M$$. I shall await all
the DLC on one DVD... probably in the form of a FO3 GOTY edition
and released at Thanksgiving/Christmas this year. Quite happy to wait
for a sale price. By that time, I just might have got to the end of
the FO3 Main Quest :-)

John Lewis

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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:04:04 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
<no-spam@never.spam> wrote:

Seems to be no interest here which surprises me. I guess F3 is now all >rather
old & not interesting...even in the alt.games.fallout group ??!!
Reviews assorted here...only so -so rating. Poorest of all the F3 DLC's.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/fallout3mothershipzeta?q=fallout%203
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It's on my list, but I'm determined to get another game finished
first, before I start anything new...
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"...love games with near-unlimited exploration and the ability to >>>experiment with various tactics" >>>>

Me too . But I can find little in F3. The damn thing is really conducted
tours
through big corridors with, I find, only one way to go.
The side quests are freer its true.
IMO F3 is considerable poorer than Oblivion & a
million miles below the Gothics (despite there problems)
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Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:

"...love games with near-unlimited exploration and the ability to
experiment with various tactics" >>>>

Me too . But I can find little in F3. The damn thing is really conducted tours
through big corridors with, I find, only one way to go.
The side quests are freer its true.
IMO F3 is considerable poorer than Oblivion & a
million miles below the Gothics (despite there problems)
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The biggest problem I had with Fallout 3, along with games like Far Cry
2, is the inability to climb. This means that the designer can create arbitrary limits on your movement without having to create plausible
reasons. I much prefer the freedom of games like Thief and Assassin's
Creed for the ability to climb over walls on on to roofs. It allows one
to use tactics that are impossible with Fallout 3. I really hate having
to use a subway to go to a location and being attacked as soon as I
exit. If I could go over or through the rubble I could scout the area
first and decide how to deal with any inhabitants.
I notice that at least one Super Mutant was allowed to reach a sniper
post that I could not.
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Michael W. Ryder wrote:

The biggest problem I had with Fallout 3, along with games like Far Cry
2, is the inability to climb. This means that the designer can create arbitrary limits on your movement without having to create plausible reasons. I much prefer the freedom of games like Thief and Assassin's
Creed for the ability to climb over walls on on to roofs. It allows one
to use tactics that are impossible with Fallout 3. I really hate having
to use a subway to go to a location and being attacked as soon as I
exit. If I could go over or through the rubble I could scout the area
first and decide how to deal with any inhabitants.
I notice that at least one Super Mutant was allowed to reach a sniper
post that I could not.

But Thief and Assassin's Creed had arbitrary walls, too. Thief
especially was limited to very small areas. Every game does at some point.

And besides, having a wall you can climb is no different than any other passable space except it is slower to get through.
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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:31:37 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
<no-spam@never.spam> wrote:

"...love games with near-unlimited exploration and the ability to >>>>experiment with various tactics" >>>>

Me too . But I can find little in F3. The damn thing is really conducted >tours
through big corridors with, I find, only one way to go.
The side quests are freer its true.

Huh?? Yes, there are some restricted-access areas but within those
areas, there are multiple paths, some are deliberately set up for
scouting for back-door access for those with decent thief-type
skills...instead of rushing in the front-door with weapons blazing.
and of course in the Wasteland and in sundry areas of DC, you are
pretty free to roam in any direction... but be prepared to run fast if
you are a low-level character...

For any impression of a conducted tour in FO3, you must have just
"followed your nose" through the Main Quest. Sad. Maybe the
true-corridor FPS games such as HL2 and the Doom series.. with a feast
of bang-bang-you're-dead and no real exploration/adventure/character-interaction... are more to your taste?

IMO F3 is considerable poorer than Oblivion & a
million miles below the Gothics (despite there problems)

Maybe you just prefer action-rpg games with lush scenery and no
gunpowder or nukes?

Me, I enjoy all of the above-mentioned games. The post-apocalyptic
style of FO3 is a welcome change from the
castles/dragons/tunics/swords grind. I really enjoyed FO1 and FO2, but
in today's gaming, their game-mechanics is a real drag.

John Lewis

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WDS wrote:

Michael W. Ryder wrote:

The biggest problem I had with Fallout 3, along with games like Far
Cry 2, is the inability to climb. This means that the designer can
create arbitrary limits on your movement without having to create
plausible reasons. I much prefer the freedom of games like Thief and
Assassin's Creed for the ability to climb over walls on on to roofs.
It allows one to use tactics that are impossible with Fallout 3. I
really hate having to use a subway to go to a location and being
attacked as soon as I exit. If I could go over or through the rubble
I could scout the area first and decide how to deal with any inhabitants.
I notice that at least one Super Mutant was allowed to reach a sniper
post that I could not.

But Thief and Assassin's Creed had arbitrary walls, too. Thief
especially was limited to very small areas. Every game does at some point.

And besides, having a wall you can climb is no different than any other passable space except it is slower to get through.

The problem I had with the "arbitrary" walls was that I wanted to go to
some spot I could see but had to go searching for the "allowed" path.
This was really annoying DC as you had to figure out which subway
stations to use with which exits, etc. Plus it was really stupid that
you could not crawl over an obstruction but had to stand and jump over
it. I loved the ability in Assassin's Creed to scout out an area and determine the path I wanted to take rather than having to try and figure
out which streets, sewers, and subways I needed to take to get to a
location.
One example was the Ranger rescue. I could hear the message in certain locations but could not travel in a straight line to the source and kept losing the signal and finally found the location by accident. In a game
like Assassin's Creed I would locate a mission and determine the best
set of rooftops and streets to reach it without having all the
obstructions placed by the programmer's insistence that a human being
cannot climb over rubble.
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On Aug 5, 4:04 pm, "Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-s...@never.spam> wrote:

Seems to be no interest here which surprises me.\

This NG is just dead.
As for MZ, I like it a lot.
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SPOILER references here...
FALLOUT 3 Example:
In the main quest where we have to get to Galaxy News Radio where we get the quest to go to The Museum of Technology for a Radio Dish

We HAVE to go through that section meeting up with the Brotherhood of Steel (only one possible route)
& shooting the Giant Mutant with Mini Nuke (the game tells us where & to use it)
(we can't leave it alone or use any other method to do the poor thing in)
We can't go into GNR until this is done as instructed .

I spent ages trying to find an alternative route & sequence of events.
No other way..the game leads & instructs as like a small child.
And then there is only the one-way only-out back door to
have to go through the Metro to The Museum of Technology.
The insult I feel is that the games design implies choices & alternatives
that are just not there.
And of cause there's no weather-ever ('THEY' could at least have used Fogs) Nothing in the skies, the water fizzes with Radioactivity but no life ...how lazy is that ?.
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Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:

SPOILER references here...
FALLOUT 3 Example:
In the main quest where we have to get to Galaxy News Radio where we get the quest to go to The Museum of Technology for a Radio Dish

We HAVE to go through that section meeting up with the Brotherhood of Steel (only one possible route)
& shooting the Giant Mutant with Mini Nuke (the game tells us where & to use it)
(we can't leave it alone or use any other method to do the poor thing in)

That is Wrong. I killed the Super Mutant using firearms only and the
game continued. True I had to do all the other steps up to that point,
but the manner of killing the "boss" was not set in stone like some games.

We can't go into GNR until this is done as instructed .

I spent ages trying to find an alternative route & sequence of events.
No other way..the game leads & instructs as like a small child.
And then there is only the one-way only-out back door to
have to go through the Metro to The Museum of Technology.

You can get to the Museums and the rest of the mall without having to
use the Metro to the Mall. You can get there through the Capital also.

The insult I feel is that the games design implies choices & alternatives that are just not there.
And of cause there's no weather-ever ('THEY' could at least have used Fogs) Nothing in the skies, the water fizzes with Radioactivity but no life ...how lazy is that ?.
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Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:

SPOILER references here...
FALLOUT 3 Example:
In the main quest where we have to get to Galaxy News Radio where we get the quest to go to The Museum of Technology for a Radio Dish

Well, game gives your choice for sure - I managed to complete it without visiting GNR at all. Visited it after seeing proper end sequence -
loaded earlier savegame just to roam around with ol' trusty Fawkes (with
him mini-nuke is REALLY not needed).

Love this game.

L.
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Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:

In the main quest where we have to get to Galaxy News Radio where we get the quest to go to The Museum of Technology for a Radio Dish

We HAVE to go through that section meeting up with the Brotherhood of Steel (only one possible route)
& shooting the Giant Mutant with Mini Nuke (the game tells us where & to use it)
(we can't leave it alone or use any other method to do the poor thing in)
We can't go into GNR until this is done as instructed .

You are wrong. I played twice through that area and didn't even know
there was a mininuke there. I killed the big guy once with a sniper
rifle and once with mines and grenades.

As for only having one way to get into someplace or complete a quest I challenge you to find an RPG where this isn't true. Even the very best
ones like BG2 and Planescape are rife with areas where this is true.
Now SOMETIMES they offer you 2 or 3 ways but not always and probably not
even most of the time.
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On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:39:46 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
<no-spam@never.spam> typed furiously:

SPOILER references here...
FALLOUT 3 Example:
In the main quest where we have to get to Galaxy News Radio where we get the >quest to go to The Museum of Technology for a Radio Dish

We HAVE to go through that section meeting up with the Brotherhood of Steel >(only one possible route)
& shooting the Giant Mutant with Mini Nuke (the game tells us where & to use >it)
(we can't leave it alone or use any other method to do the poor thing in)
We can't go into GNR until this is done as instructed .

I've _never_ used a mini-nuke in the game.
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re: I've _never_ used a mini-nuke in the game

I used all my mini nukes all at once, using that advanced fatboy, it threw 8 out at once, killing all my enemies. And me......lol!

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:30:58 +0100, "Carl" <me@theworld.universe> wrote:

re: I've _never_ used a mini-nuke in the game

I used all my mini nukes all at once, using that advanced fatboy, it threw 8 >out at once, killing all my enemies. And me......lol!

Yeah. That thing looks good at night. Find somewhere nice and high and nuke
the neighbourhood.
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Memnoch wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:30:58 +0100, "Carl" <me@theworld.universe> wrote:

re: I've _never_ used a mini-nuke in the game

I used all my mini nukes all at once, using that advanced fatboy, it threw 8
out at once, killing all my enemies. And me......lol!

Yeah. That thing looks good at night. Find somewhere nice and high and nuke the neighbourhood.

Like using the orbital bombardment?
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:30:58 +0100, "Carl" <me@theworld.universe>
typed furiously:

re: I've _never_ used a mini-nuke in the game

I used all my mini nukes all at once, using that advanced fatboy, it threw 8 >out at once, killing all my enemies. And me......lol!

LOL. That is really helpful. My current problem is finding a
shopkeeper who has enough money to buy all the junk I want to sell.
I've got to the stage where I only collect health aids and ammo from
my victims.
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Like using the orbital bombardment?

The MIRV I think it's called. OCTOMIC orbital bombardment!
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:28:11 -0700, "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Memnoch wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:30:58 +0100, "Carl" <me@theworld.universe> wrote:

re: I've _never_ used a mini-nuke in the game

I used all my mini nukes all at once, using that advanced fatboy, it threw 8
out at once, killing all my enemies. And me......lol!

Yeah. That thing looks good at night. Find somewhere nice and high and nuke >> the neighbourhood.

Like using the orbital bombardment?

Yeah, that was fun but limited. And given the damage that can be done at the end of Broken Steel, I was a little surprised at the massive damage caused to the alternative target.
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:22:08 +0930, David <farookdas@picknowl.com.au> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:30:58 +0100, "Carl" <me@theworld.universe>
typed furiously:

re: I've _never_ used a mini-nuke in the game

I used all my mini nukes all at once, using that advanced fatboy, it threw 8 >>out at once, killing all my enemies. And me......lol!

LOL. That is really helpful. My current problem is finding a
shopkeeper who has enough money to buy all the junk I want to sell.
I've got to the stage where I only collect health aids and ammo from
my victims.

I tend to store all my stuff back at Megaton and sell stuff on only when I
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